Quincy Jones was a recent guest The Hollywood Reporter’s Awards Chatter podcast in an effort to promote his new Netflix documentary, Quincy.

During the conversation, the music industry legend revealed Ray Charles had him hooked on heroin for a five-month period when he was just 15 years old. “After we finished at the Washington Social Club and a couple of other ones, we’d all go down to Jackson Street to the Elks Club,” he explained. “That’s where all the bebop jam sessions were. Nobody got paid. We didn’t give a damn. “When they finished playing they’d go over in the corner and they had it on their thumb. I just snuck in the line and got me a little hit.”

Jones, 85, confessed he would buy the heroin from a Harlem dealer they called Detroit Red — otherwise known as Malcolm X. He said had he not fallen down a flight of stairs and been put on bed rest, he never would’ve had a chance to come to grips with what the drug was doing to him. “The mistakes are what help you grow and learn,” he said. “That was a big one. [If I hadn’t fallen.] I would have been in New York, where I was hanging out with [jazz musician] Charlie Parker. I would have been a junkie forever. Bird was always high. Thank god we did it and got it over with.”